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republican senator john mccain, and then the risk of being the frontrunner with obama's senior advisor david axelrod. plus, polls, ads, and early voting. with republican strategist alex castellanos, and cinderella and congressional correspondent dana bash. i'm candy crowley. this is "state of the union." >>> it would not be debate season if the political world and the campaigns didn't play the expectations game. >> the president is obviously a very eloquent, gifted speaker. he will do just fine. >> the president's campaign manager jim mecina called romney a very skilled debater and in an open memo to interested parties, senior advisor david axelroad just as he was in the primaries, we expect mitt romney to be a prepared, disciplined, and aggressive debater. joining me now is someone who knows a thing or two about expectations and debates, republican senator john mccain. a little trip down memory lane there. >> i think both candidates are well prepared, and understandably, you'll see their sur gats lowering expectations. i don't know how our guy will compete, and that's part of the whole rout
think it is to not look arrogant. you remember that scene from 2008 where john mccain, and i forget what precipitated it, but he looks to obama and point at him and says -- that one. and that reference that really belittles him. many people looked and said this is a racial moment. i think mitt romney has the challenge of not coming off in that way. for obama, i think it is not making any kind of reference to race as an excuse. i think to be safe, he has to basically not broach the subject, and certainly not on terms that would seem like his race is being used as an excuse. which plays into many people's already faulted perceptions about him. >> at any point in the political process, that is one of the most difficult issues america is dealing with. and we do have an african- american president coming in with the advantages of incumbency. anything particular we need to watch -- just for the incumbent versus the challenger? that we can put into our notebook about how to watch? >> i do not know if this qualifies on how to watch. but one of the interesting things about televised debates -- th
thank you for the call. i remind you mitt romney gave john mccain 22 years of tax records which tells me he's much more enthusiastic about being vice president. it's the bill press show. we'll be right back. dose of politics from a fresh perspective. >>i'm a slutty bob hope. the troops love me. >>only on current tv. >> this is the bill press show. i'm john fugelsang. we are back on the air. i'm putting my breakfast to the side. normally, i try to sneak food in the commercial breaks. i learned from stephanie miller that it's actually very professional to eat on camera. >> i was going to wait for you to take a bite and ask your question. >> if you'd like to watch someone eating during a radio show on t.v., stay tuned. the stephanie miller show follows and you can watch them go crazy. that's really the food network. we're taking your calls at 866-55-press. our last caller, paul from seattle made good points about governor romney's tax returns. my two theories about why he doesn't want his tax returns released on the surface he doesn't want folks to know he's this wealthy and makes all this
to senator john mccain. all of you see him regularly on fox news sunday and the fox news channel. i met him in 1981 when he was a very young assistant professor at the university of pennsylvania. the question that i would like to pose for each of you, and i will start with governor what does this through feel about the leadership styles of mitt romney and president obama? >> probably not much. >> ok, will this panel is over. [laughter] >> you could extrapolate a few things from president obama's first term that may be instructive. he is not the manager. he does out of a history of managing things. you bring in a lot of good, well trained people and give them tasks and try to lead a government. in the case of mitt romney, who has been a governor, a business guy. he has run the olympics. i think his attitude would be efficiency. i will come in and look at running governments, like a business, which is not always the right answer because government is not a business. you should always look for efficiencies, but i have not seen a good example yet of a business person that has come into governme
for john mccain? >> yes. i vote for the man and not for the party. >> our hash tag is c-span #2012. speaking of the president, if you and the iraq war act of years ago, why did not bring the troops from four years ago? back to the phone calls. we will take a caller from florida. independent line. caller: hello. i have followed this all the time on my tv. i have seen presidents come and go. i was a republican many years ago. i realize that every time we had a republican president, money does not go around. the more affluent people keep it. our economy goes down. i think during the last -- when clinton was in, he balanced the budget. when bush and got it, they spent money like it was going out of style. >> is your vote going to barack obama this time? >> yes. i feel that he is qualified in every phase of the government. i do not think romney knows enough about foreign policy. i think he will get us into a war if he keeps saying what he is saying. >> we will hear about for a policy more in the debate in florida. -- foreign policy it in the debate in florida. >> last night was an impor
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that point* where they are retiring although it did not stop john mccain. how women politically age there was a gap between that generation and a new group coming up. also and nikki haley. she has managed south carolina barry well. the advantage of ethnicity bringing diversity to the republican party one could argue it needs diversity. >> we all looked at one another when bill asked the question. the pipeline is a little thin. susanna marty thence the governor of the mexico that we tend to reelect more governors and members of congress i think that is the pipeline very articulate -- particulate but give her six years and has potential. and elizabeth warren sheet is is elected there are a couple. we just need to get more women elected. research that has been done that says to make any kind of difference you need 25%. part of the culture comes as competition more women have the opportunity. because the women we profile in the book who were still in congress are not running again. the women are giving up hour don't see themselves to compromise. >> for various reasons with nrg being sea
quayle and secretary of education. he also served as foreign policy adviser to senator john mccain. i'm sure all of you see bill regularly on fox news sunday and the fox news channel. i actually met bill in 1981 when he was a very young assistant professor at the university of pennsylvania. has been great to see all the things that he has accomplished since that time. the question that i would like to pose for each of you, and i will start with governor huntsman, what does the 2012 election reveal about the respective leadership styles of obama and ronnie? >> probably not much. >> okay. well, this panel -- [laughter] >> see you later. >> you can extrapolate a few things from president obama's first term that might be instructive. he is not a manager. he is not -- he does not have a history of managing things. so you bring in a lot of good, well-trained, smart people, give them their tasks and try to lead a government. and in the case of the governor romney who has been a governor, a business guy cannot run the olympics. i think his attitude with the efficiency. i'm going to come in an
on wednesday night. >>> coming up, senator john mccain joins us on set. also, senator chuck schumer, "new york times" columnist frank bruni and tom brokaw. >>> up next, mike allen up next with the top stories in the "politico playbook." first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> happy october, everyone. this is the month of change weatherwise, where we start to cool things off in a hurry and start to watch the leaves coming down. as we head through this month, expect a much cooler month than we've had in months past. we're looking at the middle of the country especially with below-average temperatures as we go throughout the first two weeks. now, as far as this morning goes, two big storms on the map. one has been plaguing northern new england all weekend long. the other one has been plaguing the deep south. they're both on the move today. and we are going to watch that rainy weather spreading. also severe storms are possible once again in alabama into georgia from atlanta to birmingham to montgomery, maybe even some isolated tornadoes. we'll keep an eye on that. of course, airport de
right then and there. teddy won. senator john mccain was tweeting his celebration. this was a huge deal in washington. our congratulations to teddy. "morning joe" starts right now. >> does anybody out there think that the big problem we had is that there was too much oversight and regulation of wall street? because if you do, then governor romney is your candidate. >> i will not reduce the share paid by high-income individuals. i know that you and your running mate keep saying that, and i know it's a popular thing to say with a lot of people, but it's just not the case. look, i've got five boys. i'm used to people saying something that's not always true but just keep on repeating it and ultimately hoping i'll believe it. >> for 18 months he's been running on this tax plan. and now five weeks before the election, he's saying that his big, bold idea is never mind. >> you said you get a deduction for taking a plant overseas? look, i've been in business for 25 years. i have no idea what you're talking about. i maybe need to get a new accountant, but the idea that you get a break for shippin
at each other. there was press attention in the mccain campaign and-john mccain was being. we did a survey and 60% or less of the more negative. we said the obama people were more negative than mccain. he had so much money he to run negative ads as well as the positive ads. the candidates worried that they will be seen as too negative. they have a reputational risk at stake and there as. the super pak ads do not have the same risk. they and 99.9%-. negative. after the election, that is something i think we need to think about as an effect of this new kind -- campaign finance world is that the message the american people are getting -- >> another interest against anonymity -- it seems relatively small in comparison with the other issues. if you'll let one person to anonymously sully the debate in a significant way, there is a cost. >> if there is a widespread perception mitt romney does not have influence over what the super back contained, he will be expected to stand up and defend it. >> mitt romney said he did not see those ads. goshm, gewe - there are clear cases where candidates have c
and john mccain faced off in a first debate that was nearly canceled when the republican suspended his campaign because of the meltdown on wall street. the day of their second debate, the stock market dropped 500 points. >> now the troubles are spreading. the market took another dive today, and there are some big names now involved. >> reporter: the day of the third debate, the stock market dropped over 300 points. >> fear that the country could be entering in one of the most serious recessions in decades, led by wall street's 700-point sell-off. >> now four years later, the president who faced john mccain in those debates and beat him faces his new republican challenger for the first time. >> i'm looking forward to head to head. >> an mirror image of '08, a campaign is chaotic mash. new issues, new controversies, every day. the polls are bad for romney and good for obama in the swing states. but the national numbers are as tight as they get. the primaries are over, the conventions are over, but the debates, the home stretch, starts right now. >>> all right. the pre-season is officiall
they are retiring, the point where they are beyond running perhaps although it's not john mccain. so that is something we talk about in the book, h. and how women age faster than none politically age. but there seems to be a gap between that generation and a new group that is coming up. so it is really hard to point to somebody in the pipeline. but the person i would point to is nikki bailey. i think that she has managed some thing in south carolina very well and, you know, she has the advantage of the city, bringing diversity to the republican party. i think given that one argument that the republican party needs diversity. >> we all kind of looked at one another when bill asked us this question because i agree, the pipeline is a little thin right now. susanna martinez, if you buy this idea that you can elect mark governor says president that we do members of congress. i think barbara lee is right. i think that is for the pipeline is likely to come from. she's articulate. she's only been in office a couple of years. every six years depending how she's groomed. i think she is the pot
right away from the last debate. governor romney is taller than john mccain. actually 7 inches. mommy is 6-foot 2 inches tall senator mccain 517 inches and this time president obama is the shortest at 6-foot 1 inch and seven may be his lucky number he is also seven years younger than senator mccain but still 14 years older than obama first of all, street stocks closed with gains encouraging economic news dow jones industrial average of auto plants smb of five and nasdaq 15. adp better than expected 162,000 jobs this services sector at expanding the fastest europe and china pushes crude oil prices lower dropping at $88 the biggest decline in four months hewlett-packard's stock is down 13% after meg whitman predicted earnings will fall 10% next year. turning to the debate william joined by the chair reince priebus. -- . things looks at. i am ready that. >> i will sneak in candy bars and enjoyment on may setting the country straight. the president is conning the country the economy is then the ditch the debt is out of control. everything he promised four years ago across america has not
voters by 13 points. in 2008, he defeated john mccain mike 8%. -- by 8%. i will be looking at independent numbers. in terms of minorities, yet about obama possible election in 2008 is he won on the order of 43% of the white of the. in most of the national polls, that is kind of where it is. the country is changing. in 2008 compared 3/4 of the electorate was white, which was down to the bimid high 80%'s. and a close election, nobody thought this is going to be a seven-point race. the metrics are there for him to win. >> to me, i wanted to add on, the most stunning numbers from 2008, if you take out the 18- to 29-year-olds, mccain and obama tied. the other factor is john mccain be to barack obama 55 to 43 among white voters. george bush in 2000 beat out or 55 to 43, the same margin. how did gore and bush be essentially typie? you may not know this, but bush won that election -- [laughter] 80 years later, what was essentially a popular vote tied becomes a seven-point blowout, and that shows you how significantly america is changing. itd talks about how hard is for democrats to win it with se
? what makes you angry as to john mccain? what is said of archer has been issuing to shout from the mountain tops is not true. >> it was one of the most moving moments in my life, to come across that bridge with this group of kids i've never met before, but we were all together. and that is the sense you get here at the parade, where the president is going to review the parade. they sent the family, the country coming together. that is the people are looking for a think. >> i would love to do you have no idea which are talking about, but everybody here kept their emotions thoroughly and check, i'd be lying to you, my friend. >> we are hoping to find you a reflective mood on a cloudy day. we're at first to speak to you coming off your summer vacation. how does it recharge you? what you think about? what do you see, what you read about? how are you thinking about your job these days? >> already. there there you have it. our four finalists. now ladies and gentlemen, you are going to vote with everything that your disposal. it will make noise, noise, noise, noise, the most toys wins
recently, john mccain seemed to moffett on the leadership side before he even got to the debate by being willing to or suggesting the debate be canceled or postponed so they could stay in washington and work on the bailout project. that made him look and l unleaderly and did not seem to be able to handle multiple problems at once. for me, and i think this will be important this particular year, our candidates, office of problems. no one doubts obama can relate to the people, that he is likable and can balance or do the democratic party. what we're wondering is what is the leader of the park since we have a four-year pattern that did not make as much change as we had hoped. mitt romney of course is known as take charge ceo leader, but his big challenge will be showing he is democratic, and like the rest of us, -- >> democratic with little lead. >> he has to overcome that. challenging for both. >> you can arm wrestle. you are closer to the microphone. >> i think one of the issues this year because it was one of the few growth industries in the united states, the legion of fact checkers wi
a sense of how relentlessly message to john mccain is. he used the term spread the wealth of around three times. another thing that strikes me is how obama is making eye contact with became the entire time he is talking. he looks right at them. there was a lot of discussion from the earlier debates in 2008 that mccain was having a hard time making like act -- making eye contact. it came off as rude. another thing that jumps out on me is the contrast of the youthful obama and a much more senior mccain. obama actually was more the adult in my opinion in that relationship in that he was very calm and cool under fire. mccain, although that last debate was his best, he had moments where he was a little erratic and some of those earlier debates. >> you said, both president obama and governor romney share a sense of trepidation about going mano-a-mano on live television. how may it went up boxing them in? >> neither one of them has and enjoyment of debating. that is a weird word to use. i think the ones who are really good at it and the ones who really come across of the people who get up on tha
the president goes to wisconsin. someone argued this is the bluest of blue. he was the clear winner over john mccain by 14 points four years ago. with paul ryan in the place perhaps that tells us about the polling internally that democrats are seeing in wisconsin. as for governor romney he wakes up in colorado as well and meets up with his running nature paul ryan in the state of virginia, which went for a democrat for the first time since 1964 four years ago, and where will ryan and romney be today? this is agusta county, it bumps pretty close-up to the west virginia border. red is republican, blue is democrat. this part of the state arguably is coal company, which is one of the comments that governor romney made last night. as we watch the map develop and we see the strategies unfold that's where the two men are going today. martha, back to you. martha: very interesting. what does bill o'reilly think about governor romney's performance last night? he will join us here in "america's newsroom" with his first take, his first reaction to the big night last night. bill: looking forward to that,
't cause autism. hillary clinton said the same thing and so did john mccain. all three made the connection between thimerosol with a trace of mercury in it. that's been debunked. >> again, you're talking about dabbling in some theories, and completely grant you that it's troubling when you talk about people on the left that pushed this idea of a vaccine/autism link. that's troubling and needs to be called out. when you talk about as a party, mitt romney's in his acceptance speech at republican convention mocked the idea of combating climate change. he talked about obama promising to slow the rise of the oceans and heal the planet. he mocked it, and it was a huge applause line. you have a republican party platform using scare quotes to talk about climate change. you have republicans in major positions of influence in the congress saying it's a complete hoax. that's totally out of whack with the kind of hostility of science you see overall on the left. >> so my response to that would be that, see, you're focusing more on the republican party and the democratic party, and that's not the point
campaign battlegrounds facing job losses. arizona senator john mccain says companies have a choice. whether to rely on the administration's politically motivated guidance or to comply with the law. "i can assure them i will do everything in my power to ensure that taxpayer dollars are not used to compensate contractors who do not comply with the law." while the administration is betting it will prevail on the showdown, congress has the power of the purse. beyond this fight, there is also a concern this would gut the warn act and may hurt workers in the communities if employers don't feel required to give out layoff notices. bret? >> bret: emanuel back in washington. thank you. now to tonight's text to vote question. we thought we'd ask you the memorable debate moment. we had four. sr1 to ronald reagan to president carter in 1980. there you go again on democratic charges for medicare. text sr2 for lloyd benson to dan quail in 1988. he use jack kennedy and you're no jack kennedy. sr3. size in 2000. sr4. gerald ford's answer in 1976 there was no soviet domination of eastern europe. results a l
out and vote. >> right. and even bigger gap than 69/31 what president obama beat john mccain among latinos in 2008. look, this is a problem in this election for republicans, andrea, but a bigger problem in 2016, 2020 and beyond. the hispanic community is obviously a young community, it's a growing community, it's a community that's going to register to vote more in line with their population numbers in years to come. republicans simply cannot lose the hispanic vote by 40, 50 points. they can't even lose it by 20 points. people like jeb bush, marco rubio who you showed earlier they understand that. i think the party needs to have a reckoning with where they are in immigration and courting hispanics. numbers like that, mitt romney maybe can win with a number like that, possibly nationally, but i will tell you in 2016, 2020 and beyond the party nominee will be hard pressed to win losing hispanic business that kind of margin. >> and finally, how big a deal is joe biden saying that the middle class has been buried for the last four years? >> yeah. >> republicans are going to make a big
debate, fair or not. in 2008 john mccain betrayed his frustration when he referred to barack obama as "that one." let's listen. >> your bill on the floor of the senate, loaded down with goodies, billions for the oil companies and it was sponsored by busch and cheney. you know who voted for it? might never know. that one. you know who voted against it? me. >> where did you come up with that phrase, that one? what will be the clues tonight to tell us in real time who's winning. ste steve kornacki, co-host of "the cycle." you start with your biggest clue. you've said already, i've seen on my screen, who's winning the definition, meaning who's defining the debate in their terms. how does that go? explain. >> romney has always wanted this race to be a referendum. he's made a mistake because people have of telegraphing their big question, do you want another four years like the last four years? if the president wants a strong comeback, he can pull the debate into what he's done the last few months, the ground of choice. who stands up for the middle class, who favors the few, build prospe
that telegraphed boredom. he may have been counting the time for ross perot. in 2008 john mccain showed his frustration when he referred to barack obama as that one. let's listen. >> it was an energy bill on the floor of the senate loaded down with goodies, billions for the oil companies and it was sponsored by bush and cheney. you know who voted for it? that one. you know who voted against it? me. >> any way, what will be the clues to oh tell us in realtime who is winning? we'll go to a columnist for the washington post and mark halperin. i want be to start with dana. i love your attitude. any way, what's your first way of looking at this? how do you know who is winning? >> well, i'm watching it in the filing center. i'm going to do a grown and laugh index. if you're growning when the guy is talking, he's losing. if you're laughing, that's better. you can do that for yourself at home. if you're cringing, the guy is not winning. romney has set this up in terms of zingers. >> why does it get out that he couldn't sleep last night? everything seems to leak out of this campaign. is he landing t
, it sounds very different than the barack obama that ran against john mccain. they've got to run against -- because if they compare those positions that romney has now, the way he performed in the debate the other night and compare that to barack obama's record, then we're going to be inaugurating president romney in november or january. >> but did you just say that mitt romney very specifically said one thing during his primary and something very different after the nomination? is that what you just said? >> what i said was, i think they're the same comments made to different audiences. that's an important distinctions. look, i'll be honest with you. i did not vote for mitt romney in the primary. mitt romney is not as conservative as i believe i would like our next president to believe. having said that, the mitt romney you saw on the stage performed so well because that is who mitt romney is. he's a center right kind of candidate, a very smart technocrat, and if you look at the positions he's taking, you can't confuse the comments about massachusetts legislature and say these are radic
. in 2008 in iowa, then senator barack obama received fewer votes than senator john mccain on election day. but still won the state due to tally from early voting. this year, president obama could receive the same edge from early voting. and the iowa secretary of state's office says that democrats have a 5 to 1 advantage over republicans in the number of absentee ballots requested. now, though the state's republican party promises to close that advantage by election day, the candidates seem to have embraced early voting. both camps approximate put out ads that look and feel like closing arguments. here's president obama's. >> it's time for a new economic patriotism rooted in the belief that growing our economy begins with a strong, thriving middle class. read my plan. compare it to governor romney's and decide for yourself. >> and with a very different pitch, governor mitt romney. >> president obama and i both care about poor and middle class families. the difference is, my policies will make things better for them. we shouldn't measure compassion by how many people are on welfare. we shou
the primary and even a little bit toward john mccain and didn't need to. i saw this election season he can't run on his record would be full of claims of -a-imaginary racism. and ultimately the point of the book is don't fall for it again, america. >> one of the policies that came out of the 1970's is affirmative action. it's going to be reviewed again by the supreme court in another week and a half or so. so what are your views about the effectiveness of -- or lack thereof of affirmative action? >> my law firm, center for individual rights, brought the case against my alma mater. university of michigan law school. we won the law school case. we lost the undergrad case. and i think at this point, it is -- and there have been more recent studies about how it is a disaster for black people. but mostly i think it's a disaster for america. at this point, i will say, -- >> why? >> you get past discrimination by not discriminating on the basis of race. that's the way to do it. i will say one of the things that conservatives have generally not liked about richard nixon was of course he was the fi
, but it was a moment that boosted barack obama and highlighted john mccain's weakness when it came to the economy. so what about this year 2012? that old video of an angry speech with racial overtones by then candidate obama which resurfaced last night could sway some voters. or maybe the surpriseis still lurking out there somewhere. tonight's debate has the potential to provide one. there's always a chance for significant economic news, jobs report, the potential for the u.s. to go off that well-talked about fiscal cliff. and it's not hard to imagine some unexpected event in the middle east, take your pick, iran, israel, syria, libya. here's the question, what will be the october surprise in this year's presidential election? go to cnn.com/caffertyfile, post a comment on my blog. or go to our post on "the situation room" facebook page. trick or treat, wolf. >> yeah. october surprise, i suspect there will be at least one or two big ones coming up. >> probably. >> yep. thank you. >>> let's get more now on that video that jack just mentioned five years ago. five years ago during his first presidential
of education, bill bennett. he also served to john mccain. all of these t-bill regularly on fox news sunday in the fox news channel. i actually met ellen 1981 when he was a very young assistant professor at the university of pennsylvania. it's been great to see all the things he's accomplished since that time. so the question i would like to pose for each of you, and i'll start with governor huntsman. what does the 2012 election reveal about the respective leadership styles of obama and romney? >> probably not much. >> okay, what this panel -- >> see you later. >> you can extrapolate a few things from president obama's first term that might be instructive. he isn't a manager. he doesn't have a history of managing things, so you bring in a bout of good, well-trained, smart people, given their tasks and he tried to lead a government. in the case of governor romney, who has been a governor, who is a business guy, he has run the olympics. i think his attitude would be efficiency. i'm going to come in and looking a government like a business, which sometimes is not the right answer because gover
. he brings it up. he did ghetto with hillary clinn the primary and even with john mccain. this election, he cannot run on his record. it was full of claims of imaginary racism, so ultimately the point of the book is, do not fall for it again, america. host: one of the policy that cannot the 1970's is affirmative action. it will be reviewed again by the supreme court in another week and a half. what are your views about the effectiveness, or lack there of of affirmative-action? guest: my law firm brought the case against my alma mater. we won the law school case, we lost the and the grant case. at this point, -- there have been more recent studies about how it is a disaster for black people, but mostly it disaster for america, at this point. by not discriminate on the basis of race. is the way to do it. one of the things that conservatives have generally not like about richard nixon was and he was the first one to impose racial quotas, time lines on the construction industry that was doing business with the government. people of my generation and blogger up in a world with
bit towards. >> john:. he didn't need to -- -- towards john mccain, and he didn't need to. and so ultimately the point of the book is don't fall for it again, america. >> one of the policies that came out of the 1970's is affirmative action. it'll be reviewed again by the supreme court in just another week and a half or so. so what are your views about the effectiveness or lack thereof of affirmative action? >> well, um, my lawfirm, center for individual rights, brought the case against my alma mater, university of michigan law school. we won the law school case. we lost the undergrad case. and i think at this point, it is -- and there's been more recent studies about how it is a disaster for black people, but mostly i think it's a disaster for america at this point. i will say that -- >> why? >> i think you erase discrimination but not discriminating on the basis of race. that's the way you do it. but i will say, one of the things conservatives have generally not liked about richard nixon is, of course, he was the first one to impose racial quotas, time lines on the construction
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